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2010-12-08 22:31, Padraic Brown skrev:
--- On Wed, 12/8/10, Adam Walker<carraxan@hidden.email> wrote:I'm trying to decide on the Carraxan words for smith, blacksmith, goldsmith, silversmith, coppersmith, tinsmith/tinker, etc. and I'm having trouble finding some of the Latin terms -- specifically silver~, and tin~ but also the general term smith.Faber seems to be the general word for smith. Andrews& Freund give "vascularius" (a little vessel maker) for "whitesmith, goldsmith, etc." Argentarius for silversmith. Aurarius for goldsmith. Excusor for coppersmith. Aerarius for bronzesmith. See "A copious and critical Latin-English lexicon" at Google Books. It's searchable!What do the various Romance languages do with these terms? Are they generally inherited words, (semi-)learned borrowings from Latin, borrowed from outside the family or internal coinings?I'm somewhat crippled ATM since all my vast collection of dictionaries are in storage until such time as I have my own place again.If Carraxan were to borrow any of these terms, the most likely sources would be Greek or Arabic (though I suppose something might survive from>the Punic substrait, though that seems unlikely).Also, I notice that Latin has ferrarius for blacksmith and aerarius for coppersmith, but instead of the expected aurarius, for goldsmith has aurifex. Does the ~arius form exist alongside as a vulgarism? Do ~fex froms exist for the others as (?)poetic varients?The above dictionary has both aurarius and aurifex. I think ferrarius is more specifically an equine smith.All input welcome.
A quick check in Meyer-Luebke suggests FABRU, FERRARIU and AURIFICE are quite well preserved. There is frz. orfevre �Goldschmied" however. FERRARIU doesn't seem to be especially equine in Romance. For 'coppersmith' there is a quite widespread derivation from CALDARIA: ital. calderaio, frz. chaudronnier, prov. catiderier, span. calderero, portg, caldereiro �Kupferschmied". Rhodrese would have faure, ferrair, aurieu,c[^1], caorrair/caodrair most probably. [^1]: That's a cedilla.AURIFICE > *aureBedze > *aureB'dze > *aureuts > *auri@uts > aurjEuts > aurj9yts > aurj9ts > aurj9s BTW.
Perhaps it should be aurieuz. I'm a bit wild on the cedilla! /bpj