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Peter Collier skrev:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Collier" <petecollier@hidden.email>To: <romconlang@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [romconlang] past particple--- Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@hidden.email> wrote:[loss of final -S (/z/), Verner's Law] My understanding is that by the time Latin reached Germania Verner's Law had long since ceased to be operative, Latin -S was and remained voiceless, -S ought to remain in a Germano-Romance which preserves cases, rather as it did in Old French
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You make a good argument, but that would be a major rewrite! Although, I am curious to see what the effect would be...Well, I've had a chance to have a look and a play now. If I ditch Verner my articles are beautiful, if somewhat French looking. Unfortunately though everything else falls apart. So on balance, I think while it is an OTL-anachronism for sure, I'll keep it.
I know the feeling. And -s almost everywhere would certainly make the melody of the lang less German-like. (And more like what? English? Even the Scandinavian languages don't use our -s possessive a lot, cheating with various prepositions instead. Except those guys out on that big, black island, of course...)
I'll put it down to an earlier Roman expansion coupled with a slightly later onset of Verner's law over *there*. And MOC of course ;)
As for POD I think all you need is a Roman victory in the _saltus Teutoburgiensis_ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest>. This would have put the Rhineland further, but not too much further from the borderland. As for loss of -S: well it happened in Italian, in spite of there being a lot less lenition there, so why not in Rhienach? As for the onset of Verner, that was probably almost in PIE.
Pater noschter ie lü Klu, sankte tiß zu Nüm.
Shouldn't PATER > Paßer/Passer, like *water > Wasser? Obviously 'sparrow' would have to be something other than PASSER. /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*, c'est qu'elles meurent." (Victor Hugo)