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Thanks for your suggestion, especially just having a nominative/oblique
distinction in the pronouns.
Using your IPSE and ILLE suggestion with my sound changes, I get
Masc. Fem. Neut.
Nom: is [Is] sæ [s{] il [Il] or eil [eIl]
Obliq: sai [saI] sè [sE] il [Il] or eil [eIl]
Poss: sus/sis [sVs]/[sIs] sæ [s{] lus/lis/ils [lUs]/[lIs]/[Ils]
--- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
>
> On 13.6.2007 funkymonkey1148 wrote:
> > The problem is that I'd still like to have gendered 3rd
> > person pronouns to distinguish male/female beings. So
> > far, using ILLE or IPSE produces too similar pronouns.
> > Perhaps I could use IS, but then the feminine accusative
> > singular comes out equal to the nominative.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
>
> This is a very interesting idea, and very similar to one I
> once had, though I started from Greek and stopped at Old
> English -- because for some reason Greek written in Latin
> script and OE appear visually similar to me.
>
> (NB I have read the other responses, and mine are in the
> light of them.)
>
> After some mulling I came to a suggestion based on these
> four assumptions:
>
> - it is likely that an Englishy romlang preserves a
> nominative/oblique distinction in pronouns,
> - it is *not* likely that there is an accustaive/dative (or
> direct/indirect object) distinction,
> - the single oblique must not be derived from the
> accusative -- even in English 'him' and 'her' are from
> the dative. (The Scandinavian languages do likewise, what
> about Dutch?),
> - we know that Vulgar Latin ILLE and IPSE could be stressed
> on the ending,
>
> so you get, with some known VL levellings and analogies
>
> : Masc. Fem. Neut.
> : Nom. IPSE is IPSA se ILLU il
> : Obl. IPS(U)I sy IPSAEI say ILLU il
> : Poss. IPSIUS sus/sis IPSAE say ILLIUS lus/lis/ils
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> (There may be a problem with 'himself' etc., but I guess
> 'self' may be _mesm_ from METIPSIM- , so _symesm,
> saymesm, ilmesm_.)
>
> BTW I agree with the others that case and gender both should
> disappear in an Anglo-Romlang.
>
> /BP
>