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Re: 3rd person pronouns - Einglek



Thanks for your suggestion, especially just having a nominative/oblique
distinction in the pronouns.

Using your IPSE and ILLE suggestion with my sound changes, I get

     Masc.    Fem.    Neut.
Nom:    is [Is]    sæ [s{]    il [Il] or eil [eIl]
Obliq:    sai [saI]    sè [sE]    il [Il] or eil [eIl]
Poss:    sus/sis [sVs]/[sIs]    sæ [s{] lus/lis/ils [lUs]/[lIs]/[Ils]




--- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
>
> On 13.6.2007 funkymonkey1148 wrote:
>  >  The problem is that I'd still like to have gendered 3rd
>  >  person pronouns to distinguish male/female beings. So
>  >  far, using ILLE or IPSE produces too similar pronouns.
>  >  Perhaps I could use IS, but then the feminine accusative
>  >  singular comes out equal to the nominative.
>  >
>  > Any other suggestions?
>
> This is a very interesting idea, and very similar to one I
> once had, though I started from Greek and stopped at Old
> English -- because for some reason Greek written in Latin
> script and OE appear visually similar to me.
>
> (NB I have read the other responses, and mine are in the
> light of them.)
>
> After some mulling I came to a suggestion based on these
> four assumptions:
>
>   - it is likely that an Englishy romlang preserves a
>     nominative/oblique distinction in pronouns,
>   - it is *not* likely that there is an accustaive/dative (or
>     direct/indirect object) distinction,
>   - the single oblique must not be derived from the
>     accusative -- even in English 'him' and 'her' are from
>     the dative. (The Scandinavian languages do likewise, what
>     about Dutch?),
>   - we know that Vulgar Latin ILLE and IPSE could be stressed
>     on the ending,
>
> so you get, with some known VL levellings and analogies
>
> :        Masc.             Fem.         Neut.
> : Nom.   IPSE    is        IPSA   se    ILLU   il
> : Obl.   IPS(U)I sy        IPSAEI say   ILLU   il
> : Poss.  IPSIUS  sus/sis   IPSAE  say   ILLIUS lus/lis/ils
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> (There may be a problem with 'himself' etc., but I guess
> 'self' may be _mesm_ from METIPSIM- , so _symesm,
> saymesm, ilmesm_.)
>
> BTW I agree with the others that case and gender both should
> disappear in an Anglo-Romlang.
>
> /BP
>