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Thanks for your suggestion, especially just having a nominative/oblique distinction in the pronouns. Using your IPSE and ILLE suggestion with my sound changes, I get Masc. Fem. Neut. Nom: is [Is] sæ [s{] il [Il] or eil [eIl] Obliq: sai [saI] sè [sE] il [Il] or eil [eIl] Poss: sus/sis [sVs]/[sIs] sæ [s{] lus/lis/ils [lUs]/[lIs]/[Ils] --- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote: > > On 13.6.2007 funkymonkey1148 wrote: > > The problem is that I'd still like to have gendered 3rd > > person pronouns to distinguish male/female beings. So > > far, using ILLE or IPSE produces too similar pronouns. > > Perhaps I could use IS, but then the feminine accusative > > singular comes out equal to the nominative. > > > > Any other suggestions? > > This is a very interesting idea, and very similar to one I > once had, though I started from Greek and stopped at Old > English -- because for some reason Greek written in Latin > script and OE appear visually similar to me. > > (NB I have read the other responses, and mine are in the > light of them.) > > After some mulling I came to a suggestion based on these > four assumptions: > > - it is likely that an Englishy romlang preserves a > nominative/oblique distinction in pronouns, > - it is *not* likely that there is an accustaive/dative (or > direct/indirect object) distinction, > - the single oblique must not be derived from the > accusative -- even in English 'him' and 'her' are from > the dative. (The Scandinavian languages do likewise, what > about Dutch?), > - we know that Vulgar Latin ILLE and IPSE could be stressed > on the ending, > > so you get, with some known VL levellings and analogies > > : Masc. Fem. Neut. > : Nom. IPSE is IPSA se ILLU il > : Obl. IPS(U)I sy IPSAEI say ILLU il > : Poss. IPSIUS sus/sis IPSAE say ILLIUS lus/lis/ils > > I hope this helps. > > (There may be a problem with 'himself' etc., but I guess > 'self' may be _mesm_ from METIPSIM- , so _symesm, > saymesm, ilmesm_.) > > BTW I agree with the others that case and gender both should > disappear in an Anglo-Romlang. > > /BP >