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I had the same problem. I cheated and dropped the IP from IPSE and its declensions. By way of an 'excuse', I decided it appears some of my con-citizens anecestors must have been applying irregular stress to the end syllables of the pronouns to preserve the disappearing distinctions... probably around about the time they realised they couldn't unsderstand what the heck they were all saying to each other.
Peter----- Original Message ----- From: "Steg Belsky" <draqonfayir@hidden.email>
To: <romconlang@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [romconlang] Re: 3rd person pronouns - Einglek
I'd think that for something English-like you'd be *wanting* to get rid of gender distinctions, case endings, and other un-Englishy features. -Stephen (Steg) On Jun 13, 2007, at 8:17 PM, funkymonkey1148 wrote:Thanks for the quick reply. I've thought about something like that (*ILLE-IPSE/*IPSE-ILLE) but the results turn out too long for a 3rd person pronoun. Another thing I've tried is reworking the sound changes by starting with Classical Latin long-short vowel system (about 10 vowels) instead of Vulgar Latin's 7 thus making it easier to make my English-like sound changes closer to the real thing. I also reduce the amount of final vowel reduction. Doing that, I have much less leveling and retain enough final vowel distinctions for gender distinction. Still, I'd like any more ideas for 3rd person pronouns for a romance lang. -G --- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...> wrote:What about compounding? I haven't working on my romance conlang in a while, so i've forgotten what they look like in different genders and cases, but could you have something like *ILLE-IPSE be one gender pronoun and *IPSE-ILLE be the other one? Or similar compounding of pronouns and/or pronoun- like words? -Stephen (Steg) On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:35 AM, funkymonkey1148 wrote:Hello all! Long time lurker here, but first post. I'm working on a conlang that applies English-like sound changes to Vulgar Latin (changes from about the pre-West Germanic era up to the British-American split). It's not exact, but so far I generally like the results. In this conlang, tentatively called "Einglek," the many sound changes have leveled the verb conjugations (happy with that), leveled the cases (don't mind that) and have led me to get rid of grammatical gender (at first annoyed me, but is growing on me). The problem is that I'd still like to have gendered 3rd person pronouns to distinguish male/female beings. So far, using ILLE or IPSE produces too similar pronouns. Perhaps I could use IS, but then the feminine accusative singular comes out equal to the nominative. Any other suggestions? To unsubscribe, send an email to: romconlang-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups LinksTo unsubscribe, send an email to: romconlang-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups LinksTo unsubscribe, send an email to: romconlang-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links