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Re: [romconlang] Re: 3rd person pronouns - Einglek

no idea what the likelihood is... but if after all English did it, and you're being Englishy.... ;-) 


On Jun 14, 2007, at 4:04 AM, funkymonkey1148 wrote:


Which I still might do, I'm still revising my 'Grand Master Plan.'  I
probably will go ahead and reduce final-syllable vowels, bringing me
back to the original problem of indistinguishable pronouns.

What's the likelihood of borrowing 3rd person pronouns?  I know
English borrowed "they," but I imagine such borrowing is uncommon.
--- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...> wrote: 

I'd think that for something English-like you'd be *wanting* to get
rid of gender distinctions, case endings, and other un-Englishy
features.

-Stephen (Steg)


On Jun 13, 2007, at 8:17 PM, funkymonkey1148 wrote:


Thanks for the quick reply.
I've thought about something like that (*ILLE-IPSE/*IPSE-ILLE) but the 
results turn out too long for a 3rd person pronoun.

Another thing I've tried is reworking the sound changes by starting
with Classical Latin long-short vowel system (about 10 vowels) instead 
of Vulgar Latin's 7 thus making it easier to make my English-like
sound changes closer to the real thing.  I also reduce the amount of
final vowel reduction.  Doing that, I have much less leveling and
retain enough final vowel distinctions for gender distinction.

Still, I'd like any more ideas for 3rd person pronouns for a
romance lang.

-G


--- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@>
wrote:


What about compounding?
I haven't working on my romance conlang in a while, so i've forgotten 
what they look like in different genders and cases, but could you
have something like *ILLE-IPSE be one gender pronoun and *IPSE-ILLE
be the other one? Or similar compounding of pronouns and/or pronoun- 
like words?

-Stephen (Steg)


On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:35 AM, funkymonkey1148 wrote:


Hello all!  Long time lurker here, but first post.
I'm working on a conlang that applies English-like sound changes to Vulgar Latin (changes from about the pre-West Germanic era up to the 
British-American split).  It's not exact, but so far I generally
like
the results.

In this conlang, tentatively called "Einglek," the many sound
changes
have leveled the verb conjugations (happy with that), leveled the
cases (don't mind that) and have led me to get rid of grammatical
gender (at first annoyed me, but is growing on me). The problem is 
that I'd still like to have gendered 3rd person pronouns to
distinguish male/female beings. So far, using ILLE or IPSE produces too similar pronouns. Perhaps I could use IS, but then the feminine 
accusative singular comes out equal to the nominative.

Any other suggestions?



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