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Which I still might do, I'm still revising my 'Grand Master Plan.' I probably will go ahead and reduce final-syllable vowels, bringing me back to the original problem of indistinguishable pronouns. What's the likelihood of borrowing 3rd person pronouns? I know English borrowed "they," but I imagine such borrowing is uncommon. --- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...> wrote: > > I'd think that for something English-like you'd be *wanting* to get > rid of gender distinctions, case endings, and other un-Englishy > features. > > -Stephen (Steg) > > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 8:17 PM, funkymonkey1148 wrote: > > > Thanks for the quick reply. > > > > I've thought about something like that (*ILLE-IPSE/*IPSE-ILLE) but the > > results turn out too long for a 3rd person pronoun. > > > > Another thing I've tried is reworking the sound changes by starting > > with Classical Latin long-short vowel system (about 10 vowels) instead > > of Vulgar Latin's 7 thus making it easier to make my English-like > > sound changes closer to the real thing. I also reduce the amount of > > final vowel reduction. Doing that, I have much less leveling and > > retain enough final vowel distinctions for gender distinction. > > > > Still, I'd like any more ideas for 3rd person pronouns for a > > romance lang. > > > > -G > > > > > > --- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@> > > wrote: > >> > >> What about compounding? > >> I haven't working on my romance conlang in a while, so i've forgotten > >> what they look like in different genders and cases, but could you > >> have something like *ILLE-IPSE be one gender pronoun and *IPSE-ILLE > >> be the other one? Or similar compounding of pronouns and/or pronoun- > >> like words? > >> > >> -Stephen (Steg) > >> > >> > >> On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:35 AM, funkymonkey1148 wrote: > >> > >>> Hello all! Long time lurker here, but first post. > >>> > >>> I'm working on a conlang that applies English-like sound changes to > >>> Vulgar Latin (changes from about the pre-West Germanic era up to the > >>> British-American split). It's not exact, but so far I generally > >>> like > >>> the results. > >>> > >>> In this conlang, tentatively called "Einglek," the many sound > >>> changes > >>> have leveled the verb conjugations (happy with that), leveled the > >>> cases (don't mind that) and have led me to get rid of grammatical > >>> gender (at first annoyed me, but is growing on me). The problem is > >>> that I'd still like to have gendered 3rd person pronouns to > >>> distinguish male/female beings. So far, using ILLE or IPSE produces > >>> too similar pronouns. Perhaps I could use IS, but then the feminine > >>> accusative singular comes out equal to the nominative. > >>> > >>> Any other suggestions? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >>> romconlang-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > romconlang-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >