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--- Adam Walker <carrajena@hidden.email> wrote:
> > > I've recently gotten back to work on the
> > > translation of Matthew and a few of the
> > > Psalms. I've started on a Donatist
liturgy,
> > > Christmas day still lacks the liturgy I'd
hoped
> > > to write for it, but does have 3 or 4 songs
now.
> >
> > Why would the basic liturgy be any different?
>
> Different from what? From the ordinary
> Donatist liturgy or from the Roman liturgy?
The ordinary liturgy. You wrote above that you'd
started the liturgy. Down here you wrote that you
still didn't have the liturgy for Christmas day
that you'd hoped to write up. I took that to mean
that the Xmas day liturgy is different from the
normal. Sorry if I misunderstood!
I wouldn't suspect the Donatist liturgy to be
radically different from either the eastern or
western of the day. They both went in about the
same direction. But frankly, I think the eastern
is much more beatiful.
> If you meant from the regular Donatist liturgy,
> then
> it won't be all that different, just more
> elaborate.
> The problem being, I don't have more that a
> couple of
> vague suggestions written down yet, and being
> from a
> distinctly non-liturgical Christian background
> I have a lot of home work to do on basic ideas
like
> how a liturgy functions and what it includes.
Try here for the text of the Byzantine/Orthodox
liturgy (Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom):
<http://www.byzantines.net/liturgy/liturgy.htm>
See here:
<http://www.geocities.com/hawessos/noble_way/liturgy_thomas_lite.pdf>
for the liturgy I made for use by (Christian)
churches in the World.
If you have Word Perfect, I have a number of
ancient liturgies archived. You'd be welcome to
that material too.
To get a feel for the sound, check this site out:
<http://www.grkat.nfo.sk/eng/music.html> You'll
need Real Player or similar. Truly beautiful. I
deliberately chose non-English chant so that you
could concentrate on the sound. (I like the Holy
Holy Holy best.)
Better still, find an Orthodox or Byzantine
Catholic church near you some Sunday and attend
Mass. You don't have to be Catholic to attend.
(Whereabouts are you?) You'll also get a feel for
the sacramentals that would be important to the
Donatists as well (Sign of the Cross, veneration
of icons, etc. -- if they're early enough they
might even still have an active cult of the
martyrs) and an idea for the vestments that they
might be familiar with. It would be very helpful
for you to go with someone familiar with the
liturgy, since you come from a non-liturgical
background. (Which one, if I may ask?) Of course,
I'll be happy to answer any questions you have as
best I can.
Note that I figure that Eastern forms would
probably be more familiar to the Donatists in the
time frame you're working with. The Modern RC
liturgy (of Paul VI) would be very strange
indeed!, if it even exists in their timeline.
> If you meant from the Roman liturgy, then it
> should be
> quite a bit different since the Roman wasn't
> set till
> centuries after the Donatists had split and who
> wants
> to worship just like those traditores!?
:)
Padraic.
> Adam
Almighty and Eternal God,
help us to realise that we are no longer the young and the restless;
but help us all remember that we have one life to live;
let us remain always close to you, walking not in Ryan's hope,
but in Christian hope, for our destination is Heaven, not J.R.'s Dallas.
May mothers and fathers of our community always pray to You "Bless
and protect all my children."
Like sands in the hour glass, so these are the days of our lives;
and so, as the world turns, and as some of us have to visit the Doctors
and the general hospital, may we always keep You dear, God,
as the Guiding Light.
Then, we won't be concerned with a foolish search for tomorrow,
walking on the edge of night. For together, dear Lord,
we will be able to create and build another world. Amen.
Rev. Carl A. Fisher, SSJ
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