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Adam Walker wrote: >So now I've got Wenedyk with tons of inherited irregular pp's, French with at least this one, Fortunatian with at least this one. Romanian with at least this one regularly derived. >And . . . What of Spanish, Catalan, Italian etc. For that matter how common are inherited irregulars vs regularized pp's in French and Romanian? Seems to me French has a ton of irreg. pps, though some may simply be due to sound changes. Or analogy? Span. nacer is entirely* regular-- pret. nac�, pp. nacido Ital. nascere has irreg. pret. nacqui, nascesti.... and pp. nato. Of course the pret. (= Lat. perfect) had to be created by analogy for this verb, since it was passive in Lat. -------------- *except 1st sg. pres. nazco ----------------- Catalan unknown, I'd bet nascut; -ut seems to have generalized as pp. for some classes of vb. Cf. avengut = Sp. avenida (yes I know, it's a noun, but derived....) As I recall, the list of Spanish irreg. pp's is fairly small, 36 in my little dict. In a few cases both reg. and irreg.occur, and it seems by and large that the reg. form is used in conjugation, the irreg. is an adjective. Italian seems to have preserved quite a few more, judging from the size of the list of irreg. vbs in my pocket dictionary. It also gives doublet reg/irregs, such as veduto, visto. (I don't recall ever hearing visto) Where do all those forms with -u- come from anyway??? Fr., Ital, Romanian?, Catalan