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Isaac Penzev wrote: > Well, I meant _kuru_ and _suru_. As for _iku_, it shows irregularity only in > past stem forms: _itta_, _itte_, _ittara_ etc., right? Right. It's not as irregular as kuru and suru, but it's still irregular. > I wonder if _da_ can be counted as a real verb. I think of it as a verb. It has most of the same inflections as other verbs. > Haisoudesu. And those tricky verbs that end in -eru/-iru, but still belong to > the I Conjugation (that is, -R- is a part of the stem), e.g. _hashiru_ 'to run' > > _hashiranai_ 'not to run', not *hashinai*... Yep. But, those I'd consider a regular class, even if it's tricky to determine just which class they belong to. > And so long as subject precedes object Not always. Quoting from my Languages of Japan book: While the basicness of the SOV order is beyond question (as indicated by text frequency and native speakers' intuition), Japanese does allow reordering of preverbal major constituents; i.e., it exhibits the phenomenon often referred to as "scrambling". The important consideration, however, is that the verb must not move from sentence-final position. [snip discussion of gapping] Scrambling thus allows six sentence variants for a ditransitive sentence ... However, not all permitted variants show an equal degree of naturalness. The difference between the natural variants and the unnatural ones can be easily stated if scrambling is characterized as a fronting operation. That is, when more than one constituent is fronted, awkwardness results, as shown below: a. Tarou ga Hanako ni sono hon o yatta Taro nom Hanako dat that book acc gave "Taro gave that book to Hanako" b. Hanako ni Taroo ga sono hon o yatta (fronting of the indirect object) c. Sono hon o Taroo ga Hanako ni yatta (fronting of the direct object) d. ?Hanako ni sono hon o Taroo ga yatta (fronting of both indirect and direct object) e. ?Sono hon o Hanako ni Taroo ga yatta (fronting of both indirect and direct object) f. Taroo ga sono hon o Hanako ni yatta (fronting of the direct object to post-subject position) -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42