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aingelja scripsit: > Perhaps not quite > used now, but some years ago, it was also very normal to > hear "Alberto Einstein" or "Carlos Marx", instead of "Albert > Einstein" and "Karl Marx". In Britain they used to say "John Sebastian Bach" for "Johann", and "C.P.E. Bach", with the English initial for "Carl", is still seen. And in German to say "Charlemagne" instead of "Karl der Grosse" would seem perverse. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@hidden.email To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. --_The Hobbit_