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> My guess is that he wants all the usage information that the shepherd
> gathers, the examples coined in discussion, etc. for the gamut of possible
> contexts that are conceived - basically everything needed for commissioners
> to vote.
We are collecting all that on the phpbb.
> But on the other hand that much complexity renders it hard to
> vote on some kinds of issues: I would presume that people might like to
> vote on the broader outlines of the Jorge/And gadri proposal, and then
> worrying the details for each individual word. As Nick's rules seem to be
> stated, we vote on each word as defined separately, and it is an
> all-or-nothing vote on that word.
It makes more sense to vote on the general principles first.
> Of course if we define the status quo as best we can (as I wish), showing
> polysemy if there is more than one usage, and approve that status quo as
> defining what is, change proposals can presumably be written broken into
> subissues however necessary to resolve the issues, and we know both where
> we are, and what still needs to be done.
I don't think anyone opposes defining the status quo as best we
can. That's what people are doing with the topics they are
shepherding.
> >I'm not too sure how things on the twiki
> >are organized. I wrote definitions for the cmavo I'm shepherding, but I
> >don't quite know where to put them. I'm thinking of something like this:
> >
> >ze'u (tag): It relates an event to its long duration.
> >
> > As selbri tcita (ze'u <selbri>): the event corresponding to the selbri
> > has an unspecified long duration.
> > As sumti tcita (<selbri> ze'u <sumti>): the event corresponding to the
> > selbri has the long duration specified by the sumti.
> > As forthought connective (ze'u gi ... gi ...): the first connectand
> > specifies the long duration of the second.
> > As afterthought connective (... ize'ubo ...): the second connectand
> > specifies the long duration of the first.
> >
> > Example: mi pu ta'e troci ze'u lo djedi be li so'o
> > "I've been trying for several days".
> >
> >Would something like that be what you are expecting?
>
> Ask Nick. He's the boss.
But it is you who were asking for specific definitions. Nick was satisfied
that we were on the right track with what we have on the phpbb.
> I would think from what has been said, that if you have four
> subdefinitions, you would need four examples.
Yes, I wouldn't mind adding lots of examples.
> There might also need to be explanations of the semantics of
> compounds: ze'u pu vs pu ze'u, ze'unai if it means something.
I think {ze'u pu} and {pu ze'u} will fall under the general mechanism of
tag compounds: {ze'u pu} indicates that the event is past of something
for a long time, {pu ze'u} indicates that a long lasting event is in the
past of something. It doesn't seem to require a special rule.
> I would
> presume at a minimum that if a semantics discussion has come up on Lojban
> List or jboske, it should be mentioned in the definition page along with
> any resolution that has been achieved. Likewise any odd examples in
> usage. These are things that the shepherd presumably finds out, but I
> don't exactly know, since I am less than certain of what the shepherd's job
> is - it overlaps research, definition page writing, and "cat-herding" those
> who are discussing the topic.
All that is being done on the phpbb.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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