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la xod cusku di'e > > I wouldn't mind that as long as it is understood that lo'i/le'i/la'i > > are more precise forms of lo/le/la but with the latter never incompatible > > with the former. So: > > > > le so'i prenu cu se culno le kumfa > > The thing I describe as "many people" fills the > > thing I describe as "room". > > > > le'i so'i prenu cu se culno le kumfa > > The thing I describe as "many people" focusing on its > > emergent properties, fills the thing I describe as "room". > > Yes, since you can never have a collective without its constituents. > Grice compels us, then, to use sets in cases where the individual, > distributive reading is invalid. Does Grice compel you to use tense where the atemporal reading is invalid? You should never be compelled to add precision where no precision is required. {le broda} should not force a distributive reading, else you lose the whole point of it being a constant. {le ci broda} is the thing described as "three broda", normally a group of three broda. When you want to say something about each member of the group, you use {ro le ci broda}. > But then, that means that le is used for > distributive cases, which seems to collapse re le and le re. {re le} doesn't collapse to {le re} in any case. {re le} is always "two of the ..." where "the ..." could contain more than two. But {le re} and {ro le re} would collapse, as happens with CLL-le. That's undesirable. > > lo gunma be le so'i prenu cu se culno le kumfa > > The together of the thing I describe as "many people" > > fills the room. > > > > in which case the xod-collective could be a LAhE corresponding to > > {lo gunma be}, probably {lu'o}. > > Are you saying that the first place of gunma should be a set, then? No, not a mathematical set, a xod-collective: a group without the properties that it shares with its members. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com