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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>
> la and cusku di'e
>
> > Thus, "the
> > people filled the room" and "the rubble filled the room" both seem to me
> > to qualify as xod-Collectives. I am thinking that lo'i/le'i/la'i might be
> > suitable for this purpose, generalizing the notion of 'mathematical set'
> > to something like 'collection whose properties aren't shared with its
> > constituents' (cardinality being the paradigm case of such a property).
>
> I wouldn't mind that as long as it is understood that lo'i/le'i/la'i
> are more precise forms of lo/le/la but with the latter never incompatible
> with the former. So:
>
> le so'i prenu cu se culno le kumfa
> The thing I describe as "many people" fills the
> thing I describe as "room".
>
> le'i so'i prenu cu se culno le kumfa
> The thing I describe as "many people" focusing on its
> emergent properties, fills the thing I describe as "room".
Yes, since you can never have a collective without its constituents.
Grice compels us, then, to use sets in cases where the individual,
distributive reading is invalid. But then, that means that le is used for
distributive cases, which seems to collapse re le and le re.
> In fact, the definition of {gunma} suddenly becomes meaningful from
> this perspective. We can say:
>
> lo gunma be le so'i prenu cu se culno le kumfa
> The together of the thing I describe as "many people"
> fills the room.
>
> in which case the xod-collective could be a LAhE corresponding to
> {lo gunma be}, probably {lu'o}.
Are you saying that the first place of gunma should be a set, then?
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