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Consider: jbena x1 is born to x2 at time x3 [birthday] and place x4 [birthplace]; What does {mi fi li 1966;10;17 ba'o jbena} mean? That the relationship between "mi" and "1966;10;17" is no longer occurring? Is {mi fi li 1966;10;17 cu jbena ca le cabdei} true? Does it make sense at all to use a tense with that predicate? Or with any predicate that mentions times? mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com