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la djan cusku di'e > I suppose it is too much to ask that Lojban return to its roots in > this fashion. But how bad would it be to conflate Set with Collective, > and Kind with Substance? I'm half converted already. I was converted when I read it too, except I used a mapping to Lojban more in acordance with matching the meanings rather than matching the names. So I map Lojban lei, loi to Loglan leu, lea (the collectives), and Lojban lo'e to Loglan lo (the Kind). That Loglan calls its "lo" mass does not make it our {loi}, because our definition of {loi} is nothing like Loglan's definition of "lo". Similarly, that Loglan calls "leu" and "lea" set does not make them our {le'i} and {lo'i}, because the definitions don't match, even though we both use the word "set". It is leu mrenu that carry the log, and lei nanmu that carry the piano. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com