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xorxes: > Dr. And Rosta: > > xorxes: > > > As for reassignment, in my case lo'e was assigned to Kind in 1994 > > > so restricting it to CLL-lo'e would constitute the reassignment. > > > But I'm willing to wait and evaluate all options. > > > > IIUC, you use {le} for Kinds that cannot be anything but Kinds, because > > it's shorter without being pragmatically misleading. > > le ka, le du'u, yes. > > > I am still hoping > > for a miracle with Kind being assigned a short monosyllabic form. > > I think the best solution would be to assign unquantified {lo} > to Kind. Otherwise, I prefer {lo'e} to anything in LAhE. I'm > not so sure about a {lau} in LE: it is monosyllabic, but I'd have > to get used to it. > > {lo} for Kind would not involve any drastic change in usage, > but it would require some changes to CLL and especially in how > we teach it. I agree. For symmetry, {(tu'o) le} would be Kind too, with CLL {(ro) le} becoming {ro le}. But what then are {PA loi/lei}? I find that it all leads back to the Excellent Solutions, whereby one out of lV and lVi is assigned to Kind and the other to Group (you & I preferred lV for Kind and lVi gor Group), with default outer quantifier tu'o, and explicit outer quantifer of Kind quantifying over subkinds and explicit outer quantifier of Group quantifying over members. The o-gadri for Group is omissible when there is overt outer quantification. Inner quantifier does cardinality, with xod's tu'o for Substance/Stuff. Either way we get substantial deviations from CLL, though the upside is that it requires only six gadri (le, lei, lo, loi, la, lai). (I think the le/lei & la/lai Kind/Group distinctions are not crucial, which can reduce things to 4 gadri, Kind (lo), Group (loi), Specific (Group) (le) and Named (Group) (la), but this loses the symmetry of the phonological patterning. Or maybe if Kind were {lau}, then the freed up forms could be used as shorthand distributives: Group = loi ro loi = lo Spec = lei ro lei = le Named = lai ro lai = la But I'm just thinking aloud here.) But we already knew that we could build a decent system out of the raw materials of Lojban gadri forms. The way we must surely proceed is to compare rival fully-fledged systems, to see how much kludgesomeness is required to get something sufficiently CLL-conformant. --And.