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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, And Rosta wrote:
> John:
> > Invent Yourself scripsit:
> >
> > > > Rather, CLL lo'e is about *characteristic* properties. It is
> characteristic
> > > > of lions to live in Africa, to have short intestines, and to eat
> antelope.
> > >
> > > Ideal? Prototypical? Definitional? Can you give us an algorithm for
> > > deriving the "characteristic instance"? Otherwise, I don't know how to
> > > distinguish it from a stereotype but for the potentially offensive
> quality
> > > of the latter.
> >
> > le'e stereotypes are subjective (not necessarily offensive); lo'e
> archetypes
> > are objective (meaning that all, or all reasonable persons, agree on them;
> > "it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent").
>
> Although I am happy with CLL-lo'e as a minor & peripheral member of the
> gadri system, I believe CLL-le'e is downright broken. That is, given the
> meaning of e-gadri and the meaning of CLL-lo'e, there is no way that
> le'e can, without inconsistency, have the meaning that CLL ascribes to
> it. Rather, {le'e nanmu cu broda} must make a generalization about the
> members of le'i nanmu, rather than a statement about the speaker's
> stereotype of nanmu.
This is the logical conclusion of your belief that an algorithm is
nonessential for lo'e'e! I am willing to accept the Wide Survey definition
which John agreed to.
le'i is bounded by the nanmu which the speaker has in mind. The le'i nanmu
for deriving le'e namu might differ from the le'i nanmu used to determine
if lo broda is le nanmu.
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