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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > On Saturday, Aug 2, 2003, at 01:38 Australia/Melbourne, > jboske@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:30:28 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Invent Yourself <xod@hidden.email> > > Subject: Re: Gadri for you > > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, And Rosta wrote: > > > > Does Kind = Mister? Where does Unique fit into this, is that a 3rd or > > 4th > > category? > > Kind = Mister = Unique. > > > What signals the opening of proper debate? I was only waiting for the > > member's meeting and jboselsla to end. > > Me feeling up to it. Ok, that was incredibly arrogant. But you know > well why we are all allergic to the issue: it was acutely painful. And > as I've found in writing my summary today, while I think I know what is > going to be added to the gadri, that doesn't mean intension is solved > in Lojban: especially because John's and And's takes on intension are > incompatible. (And while And's resembles more the linguistic > mainstream, John's is the take that is more consistent with the design > principles of Lojban, and what I hold Lojban must go with. Sorry, And.) > > I've written up my take on the wiki; I guess that's a start of > something. Please tell me which issues I've missed, and I'll add them > there. Not resolve them there, not by a long shot; but add them to a > concise listing of what is to be done. Bravo! A tour de force which gives us hope that we really do have the intellectual firepower (specifically, le ka ce'u galfi ju jai gau stika) on board to bring this language to a superior resolution! We've switched sides -- as is our wont -- and now I am promoting a scheme on the strength of its being less damaging to the corpus! Your scheme does involve some minimal reassignment. (lu'o refers to the confusion that is "mass" just as much as does loi.) A LAhE DOES seem like the best option for signalling de re/de dicto. Also, this is somewhat orthogonal to the rest of the gadri. However, in disambiguating loi and lo'e, these are pure gadri which never before needed any LAhE, and, these are cases of honest conflation and not the lack of a parallel or orthogonal structure. Therefore I still advocate the fractionation of loi and lo'e, and will adjust my scheme to co-opt your results. I do predict that, in cases I can't current imagine, a free-floating de re/de dicto of UI selma'o will come on handy. -- The Pentagon group believed it had a visionary strategy that would transform Iraq into an ally of Israel, remove a potential threat to the Persian Gulf oil trade and encircle Iran with U.S. friends and allies...