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Xod (offlist): > I am having trouble remembering what the competing meanings for lo'e were. By the time the debates ended, & according to my understanding at that point: 1. Something very much like CLL's typicality gadri. This seemed to me neither essential nor parrticularly useful, but did (after a number of further clarifications from Nick about how he thought it should work) seem logically coherent. 2. The Kind gadri. The only reason for assigning this to {lo'e} was prior usage (xorxes's), and simply assigning Kind to {lo'e} doesn't of itself allow us to express everything we wanted it to. (More details when we reopen the subject properly.) So, in conclusion, I'd say that in my mind one of the things most clearly settled in the last debate was (1) -- i.e. that {lo'e} can be very much as defined by CLL. It therefore doesn't really belong within the system of the other gadri, & can be largely ignored when considering the gadri system. --And.