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As a contribution to the discussion, I thought I'd sketch what I think the essentials of a gadri system would be. I am ignoring both the current system, and the question of how to express these essentials verbally. 1. Kind. Requires specification of the property that defines the Kind (e.g. "is a snake", "is a pair of snakes", "is 75% of Oregonians", "is the stereotypical Greek Australian"). 2. Collective of everything with property P. Requires specification of P. There could be an optional noi-statement (i.e. incidental: asserted (truth conditional) but non-defining) of the cardinality of the collective. 3. A specific Collective. Plus optional noi-statement (e.g. of cardinality or of the Superset the specific Collective belongs to). Plus optional voi-statement (i.e. unasserted (nontruthconditional) description (e.g. of cardinality or of the Superset the Collective belongs to). 4. Named Collective. The Collective is identified by name (cmene). Plus optional noi- and voi-statements (of cardinality and/or Superset). 5. Is-a-Subkind-of. Binary predicate taking Kind as one argument. 6. Subset-of: "is n% of" (= "contains x out of every y members of"), where n can be left vague and have the meaning "is a subset of". Binary predicates taking 1-4 as one argument. 7. Each-member-of. -- Distributivizer. Applies to 1-4. 8. Existentially quantified variable (Collective). Plus optional noi/poi-statement of cardinality or Superset. I'm tempted to suggest how this could be lexicalized, but there doesn't seem much point in succumbing to this temptation, since the result would not bear any resemblance to the status quo. --And.