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[Excuse tofu quote. Am using crap email ware] Can a gunma of djacu be djacu? -- {lo djacu gunma cu djacu}? I think your answer is No. In which case, lo = da poi. >>> fracture@hidden.email 06/04/03 04:37pm >>> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:05:13PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Jordan: > #> > > IF > #> > > (a) {loi djacu} != {lo djacu} > #> > > (b) {da djacu} neutralizes the distinction between {da du lo djacu} and > #> > > {da du loi djacu} > #> > > THEN > #> > > {da poi ke'a djacu} can refer to the same thing as {da poi ke'a du loi > #> > > djacu}, and hence to {loi djacu} > #> > > > #> > > In other words, {da poi broda} would be neutral between {lo broda} > #> > > and {loi broda} > #> > > > #> > > HOWEVER, we do not all agree on premise (b). Arguably {lo}={da poi} > #> > > is more 'baselined' than (b), and it is (b) that has to be abandoned > #> > > #> > I don't understand what you mean in (b) > #> > #> The claim made by (b) is that if "da du lo djacu" then "da djacu" > #> and if "da du loi djacu" then "da djacu". > # > #Depending on whether I understand, I think the second part of this > #claim is wrong. If "da du loi djacu", then "da djacu girzu". > > {girzu} means "group", but Standard {loi} is supposed to cover not > only groups but also what we ended up calling Substance (or Goo). > > Are you saying that {loi broda} does not mean "broda substance"/ > "broda goo" (e.g. "citka loi plise" does not mean "eat apple")? > > (At this stage, please stick to what you think the current prescription > is.) {gunma} is probably better. x1 is a mass, whatever a mass is. (So jbomass, let's say). So lo djacu gunma has whatever features loi djacu has. -- Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku