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Jordan: #> > > IF #> > > (a) {loi djacu} != {lo djacu} #> > > (b) {da djacu} neutralizes the distinction between {da du lo djacu} and #> > > {da du loi djacu} #> > > THEN #> > > {da poi ke'a djacu} can refer to the same thing as {da poi ke'a du loi #> > > djacu}, and hence to {loi djacu} #> > > #> > > In other words, {da poi broda} would be neutral between {lo broda} #> > > and {loi broda} #> > > #> > > HOWEVER, we do not all agree on premise (b). Arguably {lo}={da poi} #> > > is more 'baselined' than (b), and it is (b) that has to be abandoned #> > #> > I don't understand what you mean in (b) #> #> The claim made by (b) is that if "da du lo djacu" then "da djacu" #> and if "da du loi djacu" then "da djacu". # #Depending on whether I understand, I think the second part of this #claim is wrong. If "da du loi djacu", then "da djacu girzu". {girzu} means "group", but Standard {loi} is supposed to cover not only groups but also what we ended up calling Substance (or Goo). Are you saying that {loi broda} does not mean "broda substance"/ "broda goo" (e.g. "citka loi plise" does not mean "eat apple")? (At this stage, please stick to what you think the current prescription is.) --And.