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On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 12:51:21AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Jordan: [...] > > The formalist > > view requires that it be definitely proscriptive, if that's what > > you're talking about with frozenness > > > > And the baseline is currently unfrozen, I remind you, but it is > > still proscriptive > > Baseline = a definite specification that everybody heeds > Frozen = baseline does not go through incremental version changes By that definition the baseline has never been frozen. > > > 'Whorfians' like to study exotic languages in order to discover new > > > ways of conceptualizing things. Such novel conceptualizations can > > > be found here and there in Lojban, too, generally arising because of > > > Lojban's formalism and its having been created by nonlinguist nerds > > > > That's just their rhetoric. (If you are refering to xod's religion) > > Just rhetoric because it isn't borne out in practise? Maybe. Or even > the principle is just rhetoric? I don't think so. Well, I'm sure their principles are honestly intended. That is, the practitioners of SWism (xod) probably aren't aware (or don't agree) that their positions are self-contradictory. > > In reality they're just naturalists: they support every attempt > > to make lojban more english-like > > I'm a bit lost about who we're talking about here. If we're talking > about the "I don't understand the logic, so I'm going to use Lojban > as if it were my native English" school, then I agree. But if we're > talking about the "Certain natural languages can express conceptually > fundamental notions that Lojban cannot express in any practical way" > school, then I don't see that as particularly naturalistic; it's > merely the wish that Lojban be able to equal the expressive capabilities > of natlangs. [...] Neither; the first of those is naturalism a la kreig, the second is naturalism a la xorxes. We're talking about http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/SWism (xod's second religion; his first was at http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/transcendentalism; both leave a bad taste in the mouth). -- Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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