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events which don't exist do, because our gadri don't do what we need (was Re: [jboske] "x1 is a Y for doing x2" (was: RE: Re: antiblotation(was: RE: taksi))



On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 04:43:05PM +0100, And Rosta wrote:
> xod:
[...]
> > In Lojban, events can "exist" without them ever having to have occurred
> > (yet). 
> 
> As discussed 6 months ago, I think this is an odious & egregious 
> inconsistency in Lojban. However, if I pretend you were talking
> about du'u rather than nu, then we can let this issue go unrediscussed
> for the time being.

I don't remember the discussion 6 months ago.  But I agree with
And.  The events-always-exist thing is a dumb hack, because we don't
have sufficient gadri to properly support certain types of predicates
(djica, nitcu).

> > So it is definitely a leftover spoon if it's intended to be used in
> > case there are any leftovers, regardless of there being any leftovers
> > right now. However, in "need a doctor", the Doctor isn't wrapped in a NU
> > clause, and worse yet, might be tagged with an o-gadri 
> 
> Yeah, but x2 of knife/spoon/taxi isn't wrapped in a nu clause either.
> That's really the essence of the problem.
> 
> Remembering back to 6 months ago, we found two solutions. One 
> ('propositionalism') was to change the place structure so that x2
> is an abstraction. The other was to introduce a new Kind gadri.

Propositionalism doesn't really completely fix the problem; it's
just a workaround.

mi nitcu tu'a lo nu mi klama le zarci
Is supposed to be
mi nitcu LE<something> da nu mi klama le zarci

But we have no LE which can go there, and no NU for the something
(except su'u, kinda).

-- 
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
                                     sei la mark. tuen. cusku

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