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On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 04:43:05PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > xod: [...] > > In Lojban, events can "exist" without them ever having to have occurred > > (yet). > > As discussed 6 months ago, I think this is an odious & egregious > inconsistency in Lojban. However, if I pretend you were talking > about du'u rather than nu, then we can let this issue go unrediscussed > for the time being. I don't remember the discussion 6 months ago. But I agree with And. The events-always-exist thing is a dumb hack, because we don't have sufficient gadri to properly support certain types of predicates (djica, nitcu). > > So it is definitely a leftover spoon if it's intended to be used in > > case there are any leftovers, regardless of there being any leftovers > > right now. However, in "need a doctor", the Doctor isn't wrapped in a NU > > clause, and worse yet, might be tagged with an o-gadri > > Yeah, but x2 of knife/spoon/taxi isn't wrapped in a nu clause either. > That's really the essence of the problem. > > Remembering back to 6 months ago, we found two solutions. One > ('propositionalism') was to change the place structure so that x2 > is an abstraction. The other was to introduce a new Kind gadri. Propositionalism doesn't really completely fix the problem; it's just a workaround. mi nitcu tu'a lo nu mi klama le zarci Is supposed to be mi nitcu LE<something> da nu mi klama le zarci But we have no LE which can go there, and no NU for the something (except su'u, kinda). -- Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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