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On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 04:43:05PM +0100, And Rosta wrote:
> xod:
[...]
> > In Lojban, events can "exist" without them ever having to have occurred
> > (yet).
>
> As discussed 6 months ago, I think this is an odious & egregious
> inconsistency in Lojban. However, if I pretend you were talking
> about du'u rather than nu, then we can let this issue go unrediscussed
> for the time being.
I don't remember the discussion 6 months ago. But I agree with
And. The events-always-exist thing is a dumb hack, because we don't
have sufficient gadri to properly support certain types of predicates
(djica, nitcu).
> > So it is definitely a leftover spoon if it's intended to be used in
> > case there are any leftovers, regardless of there being any leftovers
> > right now. However, in "need a doctor", the Doctor isn't wrapped in a NU
> > clause, and worse yet, might be tagged with an o-gadri
>
> Yeah, but x2 of knife/spoon/taxi isn't wrapped in a nu clause either.
> That's really the essence of the problem.
>
> Remembering back to 6 months ago, we found two solutions. One
> ('propositionalism') was to change the place structure so that x2
> is an abstraction. The other was to introduce a new Kind gadri.
Propositionalism doesn't really completely fix the problem; it's
just a workaround.
mi nitcu tu'a lo nu mi klama le zarci
Is supposed to be
mi nitcu LE<something> da nu mi klama le zarci
But we have no LE which can go there, and no NU for the something
(except su'u, kinda).
--
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
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sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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