[YG Conlang Archives] > [jboske group] > messages [Date Index] [Thread Index] >
forwarded from John: > The Yahoos are giving me a hard time, [me too; I've just spent 20 mins trying to get to the bottom of my problem.] > so please forward this to jboske > Thanks > > > And Rosta scripsit: > > > I believe there is a distinction between > > > > John said furze is not gorse > > John said "Furze is not gorse" > > > > in the former, I describe John's dicta/beliefs using my words. In the > > latter, I report his words/beliefs using his words. I take de dicto > > to be the former > > I think this particular distinction is blurred in these belief-discussions, > perhaps because we have no belief-verb in English that accepts a quotation > > > > > There is no problem with reporting this in Lojban. We just need one > > > > predicate that denotes what Pierre's 'Londres' denotes and another > > > > predicate that denotes what his 'London' denotes > > > > > > I don't think that such predicates can exist. Pierre's London is a real > > > place, but his Londres is a projection of a concept that doesn't refer > > > > How come? I don't see them as having a different status. Both Pierrean > > London and Pierrean Londres are concepts/categories/kinds. Whether > > things in the real world actually instantiate them is neither here nor > > there > > As I said before, this leeds to a sort of dualism, in which there are > plain objects and kinds, and there is one or more kinds for every plain > object. Indeed, it is difficult to see why one should have plain objects > at all, since kinds more than cover them > > But I cannot swallow this for Lojban > > -- > De plichten van een docent zijn divers, John Cowan > die van het gehoor ook. jcowan@hidden.email > --Edsger Dijkstra http://www.ccil.org/~cowan > > > >