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Alternatively, we could say that Ralph believes that the person generally known as Cicero was a great orator. This could be done with du'u rather than sedu'u. Even "la kikeron" would do for this, since "kikeron" could name the property "is generally known as Cicero", but all that shows is that cmene leave much of interpretation to glorking, and that if we want to avoid excessive glorking we need to say not "ma la kikeron" but rather "prenrkikero". --And.