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At 10:13 AM 1/13/03 -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, John Cowan wrote: > Robert LeChevalier scripsit: >> > This again is incompatible with tu'o meaning mo'ezi'o, which requires that> > there be NO number. > > Not what zi'o means, but a common error that I strive to eradicate. > > A zi'o sumti does not mean that no value *can* be expressed, but that > the relationship is being constrained ("projected" in relational algebra)> to suppress it. Thus "klama fo zi'o" does not necessarily involve teleportation> (where there is no route), but it doesn't exclude it either. So both > teleportation and non-teleportation events are included in klama fo zi'o, > but only non-teleportation is involved in klama without fo zi'o. I once described the difference as dargu noda noda a circular road dargu zi'o zi'o a parking lot
But Cowan's explanation of klama fo zi'o requires that dargu zi'o zi'o ALSO encompass a circular road, as well as a normal road because it doesn't exclude events with a value.
So lojbab still see two contradictory definitions. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@hidden.email Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org