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xod: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, And Rosta wrote: > > > So if there's no agent then it's not a catra relationship. It's > > a se catra be zi'o property. Take a relationship between an agent > > and an undergoer -- a dier > > A dier? Or a diar? I don't know whether this is a joke, but either way I don't understand. "Dier" = "one who dies", "moriturus". --And.