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Re: [jboske] KS1.1: piro




la nitcion cusku di'e

piro lo'i broda is not all possible bits (= subset) of a set. It is one particular subset of the set: the entirety of it. If lo'i broda = {a, b, c, d}, piro lo'i broda = {a,
b, c, d}, since {a, b, c, d} is a subset of lo'i broda.
[...]
All sets consisting of  at least one member of the set lo'i broda is:

ro lu'i su'o lu'a piro lo'i broda

A couple of weeks ago I would have been in complete agreement
about that. Right now, I don't know what to think.

[...]
By the by, I deem that lu'a working on individuals gives you the individuals
back; lu'a working on collectives and sets gives you any member of the
collective/set (so the lu'i in the KS1 should be replaced by lu'a.)

The wording could be problematic. Collectives and sets are
individuals, so {lu'a} would be ambiguos for some individuals. Is
lu'a <set> the individual set, or a member of the set? You may
prefer to give a rule like: "lu'a ko'a is a member of ko'a if ko'a
has members, otherwise it is ko'a itself". The last bit is
justifiable because an individual can be thought of as a collective
of one member.

We also need to be clear about things like {lu'a ko'a e ko'e}.
Is that a member of the intersection? (I think yes.)

Similarly, lu'i of individuals gives the set of individuals; lu'i of a set gives a set of sets. So lu'i .abu .e by (lu'i re broda} = {a, b}; lu'i .abu ce by (lu'i le'i re broda)
= { {a,b} }.

Excellent! That's the way I understand it.

lu'a loi djacu = any amount of the substance, physically distinct or not.

That works for me, because {djacu} is not really defined as a
substance. It is defined as an amount. {loi djacu} is a collective
of amounts of water, and {lu'a} selects a member from that
collective.

[...]
Fractional
quantifiers specify the size of the portion. They don't say anything about how
many such portions are possible (an inner quantifier), nor how many such
portions you're actually talking about (because, uh, you don't care, because
it's a Unique.)

BTW, that's {lo pimu djacu} in XS4.

Should there be a difference in the way we do "Unique human",
"Unique couple of humans" and "Unique half a human". In XS4
they are {lo pa remna}, {lo re remna} and {lo pimu remna}.
And of course we have {lo pa djacu}, {lo re djacu} and
{lo pimu djacu} for 1, 2 and .5 quantities of water
(e.g. glasses of water in a given context).

I think you would have them now as: {tu'o remna},
{tu'o remna remei}, {tu'o remna pimusi'e}, {tu'o djacu},
{tu'o djacu remei}, {tu'o djacu pimusi'e}. If I understand
correctly, you want {pimu loi djacu} to be equivalent to
the last one. What, if anything, would you have {pa loi djacu}
and {re loi djacu} be?

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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