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quick reply to Nick: > [I swear to God I did not read this footnote before I said "half the > water is a > Kind." I *think* he's saying "Water is a Kind, and as such does not admit any > extensional definition." In particular, looking for concrete bits of water in > possible worlds isn't going to cut it: the reference is rather more > generic than > that > > I think he's right > > I think this is our solution. In which case, it's no coincidence that > both And's > Substance-Not-Just-Bits-of-Substance and my current Kind are quantified by > tu'o. They *are* the same thing.] My answer to that is that I can say {da poi -is-Nick} or {da poi -is-gold} (is that which is Nick, is that which is gold), where da is a bit of spacetime -- what I take to be an extensional thing. {da poi -is-xodium} would yield false. What I'm talking about is an extensional thing that is simply a realization of a Kind. So yes, the quantification is the same, but one claims a world-specific existence and the other doesn't. --And.