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--- In jboske@yahoogroups.com, "And Rosta" <a.rosta@l...> wrote: > In my ontology, Nick is what I have been calling Substance. > In Nick's terms, he is, I think, Atom rather than Stuff. Eeyup. > But how many Nick are there? What would it be like for > there to be, say, three Nick, and by what criteria would > they count as Nick? Maybe if I could answer that question, > I would decide that there are three Nick, or more likely > that there are ci'ipa Nick. But when I think of Nick, > am I really quantifying over ci'ipa moments of Nick? > Intuitively it doesn't feel like I am. But I'm quite > happy to say that su'o da, a Bit of Spacetime, is Nick. Say it, And, say it. Nick is unquantified, and so is Gold. > So all in all, I feel that the cardinality of Nick is > Mr Number (or perhaps Mr Za'uno, because I CAN tell the > difference between Nick and no Nick), and the same goes for, > say, gold. If I look at that which is gold, it is similarly > impossible to count it. > > I can count moments of Nick and bits of gold, but I > can't count Nick or gold. Bingo. Bingo Bingo Bingo. Nick is a Kind of Atom, and gold is a Kind of Stuff. We have our solution!