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xod, this one's for you.Hearkening back and argument I had with Jordan a month ago: now that I know what a collective is, and what piro is, I know how to say "severally", "together", and "is an emergent property".
(1) The broda severally did brode: genai piro loi broda cu brode gi pisu'o loi broda cu brode (2) The broda together did brode: piro loi broda cu brode (3) brode is an emergent property of broda ge piro loi broda cu brode ginai pida'a loi broda cu brode'emergent property' is a stronger condition than 'collectively did': it asserts that the property is true of the entirety of the collective, and not of any individual members of it.
In terms of my ontologies, the referents are a group with respect to broda, and a perfect atom with respect to brode.
i think an acceptable abbreviation of (3) is: (3a) piro po'o loi broda cu brode Mutatis mutandis, this also applies to substances. So. The quartet sings (a la lojbanmass): pisu'o le vomei cu sanga (sometimes the soprano, sometimes the bass) The quartet sings all together: piro le vomei cu sanga(but also pisu'o le vomei cu sanga, because each member of the quartet also sings)
The quartet sings four-part harmonies (emergent property!) piro po'o le vomei cu vonsarxysanga (because no subgroup of the quartet is singing four-part harmonies.) Damn I'm good... ||| "Assuming, for whatever reasons, that neither scholar presented the evidence properly, then there remains a body of evidence you have not yet destroyed because it has never been presented." --- Harold Fleming|NickNicholas|Dept.French&ItalianStudies|UniversityOfMelbourne|Australia | | nickn@hidden.email http://www.opoudjis.net |