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John: > And asks how you can talk about 2 rather than some 2 or every 2 in Lojban, > given that li-sumti are implicitly quantified like other sumti. The answer > is that when talking about the *number* 2, speaking of ro li re or su'o li re > or pa li re or just li re changes no truth conditions, and so you may say > any of them. It is a distinction without a difference > > At the meta level, you may need to erect distinctions between the *concepts* > "2", "some 2", and "every 2", which should probably be done with a predicate > with the place structure "x1 is the quantification of x2" My somewhat arcane complaint is that selbri phrases can directly name things but sumti phrases can't. It's not that I can't find a sentence that has the truth conditions that I want. It is that if I identify a unique thing then I can name it with a brivla or cmene, but I can't directly refer to it. --And.