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Lojbab: > At 06:34 AM 1/9/03 -0500, John Cowan wrote: > >Nick Nicholas scripsit: > > > > > The BPFK (if I ever get it started) considers what gets added to the > > > CLL prescription. Founder intent is of interest, but is not decisive, > > > and is assuredly not canonical. tu'o = mo'ezo'e is not in the CLL > > > prescription. And I for one don't want it there either > > > >I agree. This implies fixing the ma'oste > > Why is the ma'oste broken? There is no need to add to the CLL > prescription; it merely is silent on the elliptical usages of tu'o as it is > on multitudinous other things See my other message explaining why. > Furthermore there is usage history and a clear need for an elliptical > digit, which tu'o was used for (and mo'ezo'e cannot be used as a digit) Okay, there is a need for an elliptical digit. Either that digit is tu'o, in which case the BF will have to override CLL and replace CLL tu'o by mo'ezi'o, or we need a new cmavo for an elliptical digit. > If it is agreed that tu'o cannot overlap both zi'o and zo'e (I remain > unconvinced of this), It is impossible to convince you of anything. If you thought 2 + 2 = 5, there is no way I could convince you otherwise. Sometimes, weight of opinion seems to convince you; but not argument. > then this is a clear case for adding a new cmavo, in > which case the CLL usage would justify giving tu'o the zi'o interpretation > (though I don't think it requires a zi'o interpretation to make sense as a > null operand, it is consistent with same to do so), but the case has to be > made that tu'o needs that specific a definition, ESPECIALLY in light of the > fact that I don't think we have any other cmavo that are simple > abbreviations for a two-cmavo string (which seems like a waste of cmavo to > me), so it seem clear that there was no INTENT that tu'o mean something so > simple I imagine that the option of using mo'ezi'o hadn't occurred to anyone at the time. Or, if it had, perhaps it might have been thought too long winded -- after all, you are all in favour of mex being short winded -- or perhaps it might have been felt that each major paradigm warrants it's own ma-counterpart, zo'e-counterpart, zu'i- counterpart and zi'o-counterpart. --And.