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At 03:49 PM 1/6/03 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
It was established some weeks or months ago (by reference to CLL) that only na is subject to this eccentric rule of interpretation, hence the general antipathy to the rule.
Was selbri tense exporting explicitly discussed (either in this discussion or in CLL)? There WILL be problems if your try to export the negation and not the tense:
mi pu na klama le zarci mi na pu klama le zarcishould mean different things, and not using the same exporting rule for tense would lead them to both be exported as
naku puku mi klama le zarci The exporting rule and the free movement rule are a contradiction in CLL Chapter 15, 7.1/7.2 say that mi napu klama le zarci means the same as mi punai klama le zarcibut this would violate the export rule if selbri tense is handled differently from selbri negation
puku mi na klama le zarci is not punaiku mi klama le zarci because of the differential exporting rule8.4-8.7 exemplify the multiple ordering of tenses and negations and a note indicates the possibility that there could be a semantic difference in such ordering. This would, it seems to me override generalizing the example of freely moving tense from Chapter 10, 1.2-1.5 which does NOT deal with possible interactions with NA.
I think with tenses and negations in a connected (ije) sentence, the necessities would be made even clearer. But that would require delving into Chapter 16, and I generally put my foot in my mouth when I get into that sort of stuff.
Chapter 16 does not in fact, as far as I can tell, discuss exporting tense to the prenex, only sumti and negators. Thus I think the situation is officially underspecified, and the implications of the above indicate that selbri tense is NOT precisely the same as free-floating tenseKU when it comes to mixing with negations and exporting.
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