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At 03:58 PM 1/5/03 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
xorxes:
> la and cusku di'e
>
> > > LAhEs lose much of their
> > > reason of being if they are transparent to quantifiers
> >
> >I agree. If you assume that LAhE is a tool well-designed for its
> >job, then it turns out to have less useful a job than if you
> >just think "here's a tool, what can it most usefully be used for?"
>
> Also, if we want {tu'a} to work like all other LAhEs, they
> have to be opaque
Or, in a true grammar of Lojban, tu'a would belong to a different
wordclass.
selma'o do not necessarily provide ANY clue about semantics, only about syntax. If the syntax of tu'a is identical to the syntax of la'e, then they are the same selma'o, regardless of what the words mean.
> I'm not sure I see the point of having LAhE at all if they
> are transparent
When you have true functions, treating them as predicates
involves redundant quantification (or some other redundant sort
of gadri use). Transparent LAhE avoid this redundancy.
It is unfortunate that there is no counterpart of {fi'o} that
turns a selbri into a LAhE, so that {xi'o mamta ko'a} would
mean "ko'a's mother". I can't just propose it as an experimental
cmavo, though, because it would involve a grammar change.
This makes no sense. Drop the meanings and talk about the syntax. If your xi'o were a FIhO then it would glom onto the mamta (but not the ko'a) inserting a fe'u before ko'a and create a something which would have the grammar of a tense/modal, which when followed by ko'a becomes a modal phrase term.
My best guess as to what you are asking for is a XIhO such that XIhO selbri XEhUis a qualifier_483 along with LAhE and NAhE+BO. That would indeed be a grammar change and probably longwinded overkill for whatever it is you really want to do.
The present way to talk about ko'a mother without relying on gadri would seem to be
da poi mamta ko'a possibly with a non-default quantifier on da I'm not sure whether whatever you are trying for can't be done in the same way. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@hidden.email Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org