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This is a precis of what I think jboskologists think about logic in Lojban, or at least what I think that I think. :-) The four Aristotelian functions are expressed by Q da poi S cu P, where S is the subject term, P is the predicate term, and Q is a quantifier. Any quantifier is meaningful, but the standard A, E, I, and O functions are expressed by the Qs "ro", "no", "su'o", and "me'iro". These can be translated "every", "no", "some", and "not every". (The formulation "Some S is not P" is apparently a mistranslation by Boethius of Aristotle's original "Not every S is P". Existential import is required by quantifiers which do not allow 0 as a possible value: specifically, "ro" and "su'o" have import, "no" and "me'iro" do not. Existential import means that if the S term doesn't apply to anything, the statement is false. The standard Aristotelian relationships apply: A and O are contradictories, E and I are contradictories, A and E can't be both true (contraries), I and O can't be both false (subcontraries), A implies I, E implies O, some S is P implies some P is S, no S is P implies no P is S. Frege-style logic does not have "da poi" constructions, and there are only quantified variables and predicate terms joined by logical operators. The standard rewriting of A, E, I, and O as (x) S(x) -> P(x), (x) S(x) -> ~P(x), (Ex) S(x) & P(x), (Ex) S(x) & ~P(x) apply. -- John Cowan jcowan@hidden.email "You need a change: try Canada" "You need a change: try China" --fortune cookies opened by a couple that I know