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Re: [jboske] interpretation of LAhE (was: RE: Digest Number 136




la and cusku di'e

> But {lu'o ko'a a ko'e a ko'i} is a mass that has at
> least one of ko'a, ko'e and ko'i as components:
> {lu'o su'o le ci broda}. There are seven such masses,
> namely:
>
> lu'o ko'a
> lu'o ko'e
> lu'o ko'i
> lu'o ko'a e ko'e
> lu'o ko'a e ko'i
> lu'o ko'e e ko'i
> lu'o ko'a e ko'e e ko'i
>
> In this case, it does make sense to quantify over these
> masses. {re lu'o su'o le ci broda} would be two of the
> above masses. How else could that {su'o} be interpreted?

The mass of each of (the) su'o things.

Would you give any meaning to {lu'o ko'a a ko'e a ko'i}?

You're saying that {lu'o Q le broda} is always {lu'o ro le broda}
no matter what Q is. Q becomes a cardinality indicator in this
position, right?

In a reversal of what I formerly thought, I'm not sure that
LAhE is sensitive to scope, if it truly expresses a function.
Perhaps it doesn't truly express a function, but its syntax
suggests that it should, and if it didn't, then its appropriate
syntax would be that of a brivla.

The syntax of a brivla would be different than what I'm proposing,
though. {LE se cmima be ro broda} is a set that contains every
broda, but it may also contain other things. {lo'i ro broda} is
the set that contains exactly every broda. The same would apply
to masses.

> Another case: {lu'o re le ci broda}, a mass of two of the
> three broda. There are three of those, so I would
> interpret {ro lu'o re le ci broda} as something like:
>
> ro da poi re de poi cmima lei ci broda zo'u de cmima ke'a

I see the sense of your view. Basically it comes down to
a question of what is utile (you) or what is more faithful
to the syntax (me).

I'm not sure why what you propose would be more faithful to the
syntax. Our interpretations agree when there are no quantifiers
inside the LAhE. Your interpretation changes the meaning of
the outer quantifiers into something like the meaning of inner
quantifiers.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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