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> I think this idea may come from the fact that {loi broda}
> is almost always translated to English as "the mass of broda"
> This translation is obviously incompatible with {pisu'o
> loi broda} = "some part of the mass of all broda"
Yes, but not just this. If "piro" means "the whole of" and
"piroloi" means "the whole of the mass of", then it stands to
reason that "loi" means "the mass of".
No, {piro} means "the whole of the" and "pisu'o" means
"some part of the". Then {loi} just means "mass" and cannot
be used without an explicit or implicit quantifier.
This is analogous to {rolo} and {su'olo}. "lo" means just
"individual", and you need to precede it with "each" or with
"some" to make sense of it. ("each of the", "at least one of the").
"loi" is not "the mass", and "lo" is not "the individual".
It can't be that the word {loi} means "some part of the mass
of", for "piroloi" does not mean "the whole of some part of
the mass of".
That's correct. The "some part" bit is exclusively contained in the default implicit quantifier.
Unfortunately, the only way to use the word {loi} so that it
refers to the mass and not part of the mass is to add {piro}
in front of it.
Yes. Unfortunately, CLL and Lojban literature in general is
plagued with translations of {loi} as "the" mass, which is
the cause of a lot of misunderstanding.
Other than this unfortunate mistranslation, I still think
that pisu'o as the default for loi is the right one because
it is very infrequently that we want to speak of the whole
mass of broda, at least in its collective sense.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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