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At 02:48 PM 12/28/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > This solution is not always satisfactory, though. Consider: > > > > This branch has the shape of three intertwined snakes > > > > It is not enough to say there are in some world three snakes > > that have the shape of this branch. That statement would presumably > > be true whatever the shape of the branch > > Eh? > > You gotta mold the snakes into the shape you want in some world or > over. > > I simply cannot see the problem with: > > su'o da poi munje ku'o > ci de poi since > zi'e poi da vasru de > zo'u: > le ti tricyspi tarmi simsa > lu'o ci de poi gunma torni [vi da] The problem is that virtually any shape is the shape of some three snakes in some imaginary world. I don't deny that Grice can come to the rescue somehow, but He needs to be given a helping hand by what we actually say.
lo'ese'o since cimei should mean the snake-threesome typicality that I internally generate.I also wonder whether simlu would be better than simsa - and simlu should be defined so that it is clearly understood that the resembled need not be a real thing.
I suspect that one original motivation for si'o pertained to this sort of problem, but I can't quickly figure how to apply it here, and I'm running low on time.
> Gricean salvator again. Don't read in any implicit quantifier where it
> makes no sense. And do no such reasoning, unless you insert all
> explicit quantifiers: {loi} by itself has no meaning, unless it's
> quantified
CLL
{loi} = {pisu'o loi} & means "pisu'o loi"
{piroloi} means "piro loi" = "loi"
Where is the latter? loi should have a default quantifier of su'o in CLL. There seems to be disagreement as to what it should be for lei.
you:
{loi} ambiguous between {pisu'oloi}, "pisu'oloi", and {piroloi}, "loi".
You are deviating from CLL. If CLL is to be changed here, better to
make bare {loi} mean "loi" (= "piroloi").
That would change the default quantifier. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@hidden.email Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org