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The word order coup

The word order coup that Bob asks about is the realisation that

ro lo mikce cu tavla pa lo prenu

is different from

pa lo prenu cu se tavla ro lo mikce

because their intrinsic prenexes are different: AxEy vs. EyAx
xod and Robin had assumed that se-conversion is always always always meaning-preserving, so the second sentence would still mean each doctor talks to a person (not necessarily the same). xod found this painful enough, I gather, that he now thinks he might as well relearn all of Lojban.
If you disagree on this take on how prenexes work, please, let's not get into that right now. 

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