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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > No one has yet shown any inconsistency in the prescription of masses. Not for lack of trying! > There's far less inconsistency than you are claiming. Some things > are poorly defined, but that is not the same as full contradictions. > The book contradicts itself on importingness of ro (because of naku > rules). It contradicts the ma'oste on vo'a and the place structure > of tamsmi. These are things we can discuss. Whether "lo broda" > means "da poi broda" is *not* legitimate to debate if we want to > have *a* language. Tinkerers can tinker forever and never stop, > because nothing is ever *actually* better than anything else (look > at how the IAL weenies do this stuff---that's exactly what we want > to avoid). I spent four years learning it one way, only to discover it wasn't that way at all. You can call me a whiner for that, but you can't convince me that no other such bugbears await. Why is loi any different? I reject the corpus as having much weight at all; tinkering is not mabla if the language is not yet complete. I fully expect lots, lots more as the BF plows through the jungle. Those of us who have bothered to scratch out a paragraph or 2 are a bunch of pikers, well beneath notice of the Future Jbotreya. I have the premonition that his Lojban will look more like the logicoid monstrosities written by AndR and pc than the conversational Dick-n-Jane that's "mainstream" today. > > I also think that we might be overstating the importance here. How many > > active writers are there? I think that Jorge and I will follow the > > Excellent Solution, no matter what Nick and Jordan say. I like it, and I > > am going to smoke it. Because I have already resigned to my own need to > > learn Lojban from scratch anyway ever since you formalists pulled your > > word-order coup. The CLL didn't reveal that, but "there" it was. So this > > time, I'd like what I learn not to be broken. And if that means a > > "different dialect", tough! > > Well, that just sucks fat balls---such things may kill your chances > of ever being able to have real fluent conversations in the language, > and the chances of the language ever getting bigger than a couple > dozen people. A couple of dozen people, we should be so lucky! Go post a message in any sort of Lojban and you're lucky if half a dozen read it. I am my prime audience. At this point I deem Lojban to be much more broken than English. Only, it has more potential. So conservatism makes no sense to me. -- // if (!terrorist) // ignore (); // else collect_data ();