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On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 08:34:10PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> jordan:
> > > > > The two candidate meanings for ni are:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. du'u se la'u ma kau
> > > > > 2. du da poi se la'u ke'a = jai se la'u
> > > > > or: jai se la'u jei
> > > >
> > > > leni broda kei ko'a == le se klani befi ko'a beife lesu'u broda
> > > >
> > > > le jei broda == le ni broda kei be lesi'o jetnu == le se klani
> > > > be fi lesi'o jetnu beife lesu'u broda
> > > >
> > > > Where su'u may or may not be ka, depending on the definition of
> > > > klani
> > >
> > > So basically you go for some version of (2)
> >
> > #2 has a "jei" in the description of "ni"; I don't see how this can
> > possibly work without it being a circular definition, if we are to
> > define "jei" in terms of ni
> >
> > So... maybe
>
> The point wasn't to define ni in terms of jei or vice versa but
> simply to disambiguate the two incompatible senses of ni -- viz
> "to what extent" and "the extent to which".
"ni" means the "extent to which". The former probably has someting
to do with makau.
[...]
> > "ni" usually has nothing to do with truth, imho. It can, though,
> > by using x2. Truth is better represented by "jei" to avoid having
> > to specify the x2
>
> You're right, but I can't think of any scale to measure bridi by,
> other than the scale of how much the world would have to change
> for their truth value to switch. In a sense, then, I see x2 of ni
> as unnecessary, since I can think of only one plausible value for
> zo'e (as x2 of ni).
Huh. There's almost as many possible values for x2 as there are
bridi.
leni mi clani probably has some kind of "lesi'o clani ma'i tu'a mi"
or some such thing, etc.
Note btw, that because of x2 of ni, we can even use ni to do "leni
gerku" for "the number of dogs".
--
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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