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At 04:30 PM 12/21/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
Lojbab: > >1. Which distinct notions is Lojban to be able to express? > >2. Which conflated notions is Lojban to be able to express? > >3. Which of these notions does a speaker choose to emply to describe > >a given thing? > > > >Xod addresses (1). You answer by making a point about (3). The one I > >care about is (1). We don't really have to bother with (3); I am > >perfectly happy for a Lojbanist to say that the mass of all monkey(s) > >falls from a tree. But I want to be able to treat Substance and > >Collective distinctly >> This is why we need to separate the byfy from jboske. byfy is solely about> (3), making changes informed by (1) and (2) only when the answer to (3) > cannot be determined (3) is irrelevant to BF. (3) is about a speaker's choices.
byfy will define how the Lojban constructs can be employed.
BF is about (1), (2) & (4): 4. What notion does a given cmavo express?
That is merely the converse of (3).byfy is NOT about capabilities of the language (which is a matter of theory), but what the words actually mean to a user.
The outcome of the BF will determine the range of choices open to a speaker.
I don't like that concept of what the byfy is supposed to do. It is defining the language, not changing the set of choices.
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