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Lojbab:
> At 03:28 PM 12/21/02 +1100, Nick Nicholas wrote:
> >Two: Aside to the founders persisting in conflating substance and
> >collective. If one man carries a piano, {loi nanmu cu bevri lo pipno}
> >If two do separately, {loi nanmu cu bevri lo pipno}. If two do so
> >together, {loi nanmu cu bevri lo pipno}. A pox on you if you refuse to
> >grant us a way of distinguishing the last two cases
>
> 1. I would not use "loi" for any of these
How would you say "Some men jointly carried a piano"?
Anyway, even if you wouldn't use "loi" for any of them, you *could*,
given the current prescription.
> 2. For one activity of carrying a piano, whether two do it in tandem or
> whether they do it in alternation, both would use lei, which does not
> distinguish between the two; lei presumes that the guy not physically
> bearing weight at the moment is still participating in the one action
{lei} means a SPECIFIC group of men. If you use {lei} to refer to
a nonspecific group of men then you're not using Lojban correctly.
> >When you like chocolate, you don't just like the individual pieces you
> >eat. You like the individual behind all the pieces. That individual is
> >pretty close to the prototype, but the prototype is a definition; the
> >Kind, you can still find out about
> >
> >And And's Unique is a Kind
>
> I like that word better. I like Mr. Rabbit = I like rabbitkind. I like
> chocolate = I like chocolatekind. I like Nick - I like Nickkind
That could work. But it's a bit vague: if I draw a picture of rabbitkind,
does it have just two ears? Is the collective of all rabbits rabbitkind?
We can see 'mankind has built great cities', where we seem to think of
mankind as a collective. Is chocolatekind an agglomeration of chocolate,
or does it have to do with individual countable chocolates?
Given the vagueness, it seems that Kind would have been quite a good
label for lojbanmass... That is, the range of meanings covered by
'-kind' seem to pretty much match the range covered by lojbanmasses.
--And.