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Lojbab: > At 03:15 PM 12/20/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote: > >xorxes: > > > la djan cusku di'e > > > >Jordan DeLong scripsit: > > > > > But "le djacu" *can* refer to any amount of water. "lei djacu" is > > > > > a lojbanmass of those individual amounts. A single "le djacu" is > > > > > only a mass in the english sense of "mass nouns" and whatnot > > > > > > > > > > So, if I have 3 bottles of water, they can be individually "le > > > > > djacu" or massively "lei djacu". Likewise, if I'm talking about > > > > > the 7 oceans, they can be individually "le ze djacu" or > lojbanmassively > > > > > "lei ze djacu" > > > > > > > >I agree with every word of this > > > > > > We all do, I think. Perhaps And will object to "'le djacu' > > > is a mass in the english sense of 'mass nouns'" > > > >Yes, and so should John and Lojbab. A mass in the english sense of > >'mass nouns' is uncountable. Substance-gadri are supposed to refer > >to uncountables and Invididual-gadri are supposed to refer to > >countables. ('refer' used in nontechnical sense) > > Whether a substance is countable or not depends on how you refer to it. > In Lojban, all brodas are both countable in the sense of "persons" and > non-countable in the sense of "people", and you distinguish which you > intend by the choice of gadri I read this as agreement. --And.