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On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:52:02PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote:
> > la djan cusku di'e
> > >Jordan DeLong scripsit:
> > > > But "le djacu" *can* refer to any amount of water. "lei djacu" is
> > > > a lojbanmass of those individual amounts. A single "le djacu" is
> > > > only a mass in the english sense of "mass nouns" and whatnot.
> > > >
> > > > So, if I have 3 bottles of water, they can be individually "le
> > > > djacu" or massively "lei djacu". Likewise, if I'm talking about
> > > > the 7 oceans, they can be individually "le ze djacu" or lojbanmassively
> > > > "lei ze djacu".
> > >
> > >I agree with every word of this.
> >
> > We all do, I think. Perhaps And will object to "'le djacu'
> > is a mass in the english sense of 'mass nouns'". But otherwise
> > we all agree, because that's the collective {lei} being described.
>
> How's it the collective lei? I deliberately called it a "lojbanmass"
> so as to avoid whatever this "collective" and "substance" crud is.
> Lojbanmasses are something which is probably not precisely equivalent
> to either.
"crud"? None of us know what a "lojbanmass" is, but we do know what a
"collective" is, and what a "substance" is, because the definitions are
given in clear language and everyone seems to have understood them.
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