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Nick (referring to my proposed voluntary protocol for Jboske discussion): > I reject And's solution, because the solution is not to have a mailing > list at all. Mailing lists cannot be fixed, they will always be linear > streams. And that's why we'd insisted on not starting up jboske list, > but waiting for the Elephant. It's whoever started posting here that's > responsible for my lost sleep > > The proper solution is the same as I've said in my description of the > BPFK: a discussion board, like Web Crossing. Where all the content is > in the one place, and is threaded. Preferably with some hierarchical > structure of topics, and some way to flag posts as "this is gidva". > (And --- mandatorily --- some way of extracting the text of discussion > into archive readily.) That's jumping the gun on the Elephant, but it > will prove essential in the months ahead. I think this becomes BPFK > infrastructure (sponsored, if not always sanctioned), and will call for > someone to set it up. (Robin may balk at the idea of supporting jboske > in any way, so we may have to see who else has web space, or I may need > Board back up. We'll see.) I agree that having the Elephant or something similar would be much better than trying to superimpose a protocol on Jboske. If we actually had the bloody Elephant or BF-forum then I wouldn't have proposed the protocol. But okay, no protocol, and we wait for the Elephant or BF-forum and carry on as normal in the meantime. But anybody who opposes having some sort of protocol for Jboske has henceforth forfeited the right to complain about the structure of its discussion without me getting a bit miffed at them! BTW, I'm not complaining about the nonappearance of the Elephant or BF-forum. The providers of those are providing them as a gift to the community; they don't *owe* it to the community. But I do kind of object to this sort of living on the never never -- "Let's not get our act together now, because the Elephant is coming", "Let's consider the Lojban prescription complete, because the dictionary is is due out Any Day Now", etc. etc. The way things actually get done is by someone upping and doing them -- Jay setting up the wiki, me setting up Jboske after years upon years of people complaining about technical discussion on Lojban list and some people saying the list should split and Lojbab saying he didn't want a separate list, Nick finishing the Level 0 book, various people unilaterally documenting stuff on the wiki, and so forth. --And.