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John:
> Jorge Llambias scripsit:
>
> > Sometimes we do need counting with the collective sense:
> > {oi mi na ka'e bevri lei bi birje}, "I can't carry the 8 beers!"
> > I could carry each of them, but not the eight as a whole
>
> Yes, certainly, inside quantification is not an issue: it can appear
> in any of the various gadri
I know this is the line you take, but if you can count the parts, then
the parts have not lost their boundaries, and if you can measure
the cardinality then you can put intrinsic boundaries to the whole.
In both cases you end up with properties the lack of which defines
masses/substance.
--And.