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Invent Yourself scripsit: > It depends on what you mean by "mass". In an effort to clarify the > terminology, we pretty much agree to use "mass" to refer to the > mass-gadri, and to use "collective" and "substance" for the two distinct > concepts which have been mistakenly blurred together as the meaning of the > mass-gadri. Ah. But I absolutely disagree that that was a mistake. It is the very essence of Lo??anic thinking about masses that Water, piro lei djacu, is exactly the same as Monkey, piro lei smani. They are not arbitrarily divided into "substance" and "collective" based on English/SAE thinking. (I am avoiding "Mr." here, even though JCB and I have used it, because it seems to invoke confusion.) If you can say "There is rice scattered over the floor", you can equally well say "There is sailor scattered over the deck", pisu'o loi blosazri. -- My corporate data's a mess! John Cowan It's all semi-structured, no less. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan But I'll be carefree jcowan@hidden.email Using XSLT http://www.reutershealth.com In an XML DBMS.